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Those who advocate for the radical autonomy of the individual find in the Church an indomitable opponent. The Catholic Church stands firm in her teaching on contraception, abortion, stem cell research, in-vitro fertilization, marriage and divorce. The Church teaches that every choice that touches on the gift of life and the beauty of marriage is judged by a law higher than the autonomy of the individual.

A society without God. A society without a future. Almost every day, a politician or teacher or public speaker is lambasted for a statement that is judged to be homophobic, misogynistic, racist or anti-Semitic. In some cases, not even an apology can save their careers. Yet, a free pass is given by society to any anti-Catholic view or statement.

Someone can make an insulting or slanderous remark about Catholics, Catholic teachings or the Church herself and emerge unscathed. The collapse of our country: the antidote. By Bishop Arthur Serratelli Beneath the soil of every continent lie buried the ruins of fallen civilizations.

History records the collapse of at least thirty-two major civilizations that once thrived and prospered before our time. No great civilization is built in a day. No great civilization disappears in a single instant. Historians try to explain how these civilizations once so great have slowly vanished into the dustbin of history. Weather, economics, population decline, wars, politics are some of the reasons that they offer.

But, ultimately, a civilization disappears when it loses its identity, forfeits its unity and jettisons its commitment to the common good. Has our unity as a nation become so fragmented that it cannot be repaired? The TV sitcoms, the talk shows, the din of warring cable news channels do little to promote serious discourse.

Rather, they seem at times to make us despair of receiving unbiased reporting. Have we lost our commitment to the common good? Are we in the midst of an unstoppable decline of our nation? Some say this is the age of tolerance. As a result, good and evil, right and wrong, vice and virtue, truth and error are accepted as equally valid.

But, this is not the age of tolerance. Those who are pro-life are marginalized. Those who cherish and protect the life of the child waiting-to-be-born, the elderly and the terminally ill are branded as bigots, unwilling to show compassion to those suffering. Those who accept the sanctity of marriage and human sexuality as designed by the Creator are vilified. We live at a time when some are not only intolerant to our basic Christian values, but are actively engaged to silence Christians, target the Church and reduce her to ruins.

In an age of relativism, has it become almost impossible to dialogue rationally on the major issues that face us, such as poverty, migration, and the sanctity of life itself? Good and evil, right and wrong, innocence and guilt — all these binaries are deliberately confused as antipodal extremes are brought into artificial congruence. Moral clarity is muddled and logical cogency diluted. From the Church, we receive a rich heritage of truth, morality and charity. We have solid and clear moral principles given to us by Jesus.

These are the solid building blocks with which to construct a just and peaceful society. Could it be that we ourselves are slowly abandoning these principles? How is it possible that those trained in the Catholic faith assume leadership roles in government and then jettison their Catholic morals? How is it that any one of us can remain complacent to the slow moral deterioration of our country? Our country will not collapse if we refuse to hand over our future to those who deny the existence of God and live as if this world is all that there is. Our society will not collapse if we are courageous enough to draw on our moral and spiritual heritage to solve the issues that divide us.

Our nation will not collapse if we remain true to our identity given to us by our Founding Fathers as a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Our courage as moral individuals to stand for justice, truth and compassion is the antidote to the collapse of our country. God or Satan: making no room for evil in our world. By Bishop Arthur Serratelli Aristotle, the famous Greek philosopher who lived four centuries before Christ, proposed the scientific theory of horror vacui.

Based on his observations, he concluded that nature fills every empty space with something, even if it is only air. Where there is a void, either mass or energy rushes in to occupy the empty space. In truth, this theory applies not merely to physics, but to life. For the last thirty years, the secularization of culture and the banishing of God from the public forum have created a great religious void. More and more Americans have been abandoning the practice of religion. Since , the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has tripled from eight percent to twenty-two percent.

Today there are about five million fewer mainline Protestants and three million fewer Catholics than there were ten years ago. For every new convert to Catholicism, six others leave the Church. Young people between the ages of 18 and 30 are much less interested in religion than their parents. More than just being a material creature on the same level as irrational animals, the human person has reason and is always in search of meaning.

In an attempt to respond to the spiritual dimension of human life, some people are turning to New Age beliefs. New Age adherents, now nearly one-fourth of the population, have replaced the personal God of revelation with a spiritual energy that animates the cosmos. They are making use of crystals, tarot cards, astrology, psychics, and even yoga as a spiritual exercise to tap into this impersonal energy in order to manage their lives and find self-fulfillment.

For New Age adherents, there is no absolute truth. All beliefs are of equal value. And, since they deny the existence of sin, they do not accept the need for a Redeemer. At best, New Age adherents trade the transcendental for the immanent, the spiritual for the physical. At worse, they reject God and unwittingly fall into the hands of the Adversary. And, then there are others who reject God and consciously choose to turn to one form or another of the occult. It is astounding to realize that there are almost 1. Today there are more witches than Presbyterians, more people involved in the occult than there are Muslims in the United States.

The more individuals extol themselves as self-sufficient and exalt reason over faith, they turn from God and enthrone Satan. Attempting to control their lives through the use of the occult, they hand themselves over to Satan who uses them to destroy the peace and harmony God plans for us. Satan is the great deceiver. He makes people believe that they have absolute control of their lives. Lack of civility. Hate speech. The blood shed on our streets. The breakdown of family life.

The widespread extolling of vices contrary to the gospel. The delight in exposing the sins of others. Abuse in all its forms. The persecution of the Church. All these are born of anger, hatred, envy, pride, greed and lust. They cause division and are the fingerprints of the Evil One. On the day after his election to the papacy, Pope Francis shocked the cardinals who had placed him on the Chair of Peter.

When one does not profess Jesus Christ, one professes the worldliness of the devil. And the Pope provided the only way to banish the devil from our midst: professing faith in Jesus. Professing our faith means quite simply staying close to Jesus within the Church, attending Mass at least each Sunday and Holy Day, receiving the sacraments and practicing charity.

In other words, the only permanent antidote to evil in the world is the presence of God who leaves in us no room for evil. By Bishop W. I was very disappointed to learn that the Holy See found it necessary to insist that the USCCB not take action at this time on the proposals presented by our conference leadership. My frustration, shared with many other people, is this: We have known about the scandal of Archbishop McCarrick since the end of June, and our Church must take immediate, decisive and substantive action in light of the deep wound the scandal has caused.

I am not so concerned about the time it is taking to punish the perpetrator. Pope Francis immediately required the Archbishop to resign from the College of Cardinals when Cardinal Dolan announced the New York review board found a credible and substantiated allegation of sexual abuse of a minor against him. But much more is needed than simply meting out a just punishment.

How could his rise to such an influential position in the Church have happened? I am concerned how the national conference of bishops and the Holy See answer that question. An internal investigation of the McCarrick scandal without the use of competent and qualified lay investigators will hardly be considered transparent and credible.

We need and must utilize the best and brightest people to do a top-notch investigation and study of the problem. Archbishop Charles Scicluna of Malta is the most qualified Catholic clergy to lead such an investigation, but without knowing that his collaborators include competent laity, the public may not perceive his eventual report as independent and complete enough to be believed.

Please, be men, not cowards, and come clean on your own! An independent and transparent investigation is all the more necessary when culpable hierarchs exhibit an incapacity to do the right thing on their own. The laity are the only ones who can keep the hierarchy accountable and get us out of the mess we bishops got ourselves into. My singular focus throughout the Baltimore meeting was to advocate and push for greater public involvement of the laity at all levels of the Church. The Second Vatican Council gave us not only the freedom but the obligation to utilize and engage the gifts and talents of the laity in the life and mission of the Church.

History proves that we bishops are not capable of policing ourselves adequately on the issue of clergy sexual abuse. Why not include the laity to assist us with this problem? We Missouri bishops wanted something valuable to come from our November meeting. And so, I was disappointed that even the mild proposals up for consideration at the Baltimore meeting had to be pulled from a vote. It was a rather harsh reminder to me of what many lay people have been saying throughout our Diocese: We bishops are ineffectual in our attempts to address the problem of abuse of power by the hierarchy.

The Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People has had a marked impact on lowering the number of incidents of abuse by clergy since But with the aggravation of the McCarrick scandal, the laity and clergy are now rightfully asking that we get it all out, once and for all, and respond with an urgency that this crisis deserves. We literally have people dying because of the harm caused by predator clergy, and survivors of abuse are further victimized when we fail to take swift action.

The whole Church is needed to solve our problem which the whole world knows about. What more do we have to hide? If we are going to move forward, we need to have authentic communion and a genuine synodal process. We need to become the Church Christ founded us to be.

Despite our current lethargy, I believe we are witnessing the rebirth and renewal of our Church in our day. And I feel very blessed to be part of that renewal with each of you. We are better together. The suffering Church and the third day. The city boasted a hippodrome as well as a theater with a seating capacity of 3, Caesarea Maritima was one of the most important cities in the world.

Paul was imprisoned here. Deacon Philip lived here. There are many good testimonies there. Basically, Christianity looks very much like just another religion invented by ancient, ignorant, superstitious people. Its claims about the universe are numerously false — until they are reluctantly rewritten to keep up with science, which has only made God smaller, less active, and more hidden.

Christianity should be called Paulinism. Paul and his followers killed the Jesus movement in the 1st century. Another major problem is that the gospels are the only evidence for the resurrection claim, and yet they are hearsay upon hearsay — literally, a double hearsay. Where the heck was Jesus going, anyway? On paragraph 1, you say Christianity was an invention. What made you think so? If you can recommend me a good reading about it, that would be fine. Jesus, when I have time. Habermas, Licona, Craig. Hi Luke, welcome to the club. Congrats on making it through it. Jeff p. Jeffrey Mark Quote.

Bob Quote. Yeah, it was alright. Joe Allen Quote. Wow lukeprog. Your story makes me very sad, I'm not gonna lie. If I may ask, when have you subjected your new faith to the same scrutiny selective though it was to which you subjected Christianity? How did you go about doing so? Rhology Quote. Interesting story, I can relate to most of it. I always thought that my faith should be logical and backed up with evidence, so, even during the long time I was a very sincere christian, I usually hesitated to use the backdoor provided by gods almighty powers and our limited knowledge of his ways to explain things in the bible or in theology that seemed contradicting or strange to me, but since I didnt question the foundations of my believes I could cover everything up in the end.

Still, research on different religions, churches and sects brought me step by step to a more liberal view on faith. I still was absolutely sure that the christian god existed and Jesus was his son who died for our sins, but since there were so many different faith systems dealing differently with what to think and belief beyond that, all relying on the same sources I kind of created my own interpretation. I just tried to be a good person and selected the bible quotes that seemed to encourage that and the rest of my views, just like everybody else did.

Thats when I learned to use the tools of science, logic and reason more systematically than before, to be able to tell good evidenve from bad evidence logical reasoning from unsubstantial claims and so on. There are basic problems with close to all that systems inculding religions you described it here yourself but I still somehow tried not to use that tools on MY beliefs, probably because I got told like most christians through most of my life that christianity is NOT a religion lik others even if it seems to be.

I just had to be honest to myself. MountainKing Quote. Thank you. And congratz to your blog, I really like that you are trying to be fair to everyone and willing to kick bad arguing and easily self-satisfied atheists in the b… if necessary. We need to check and recheck our arguments and sources and the way we present them just as good as everyone else. Sounds kinda like me, except I wasn't a PK and I didn't read quite as much as you until after I deconverted.

John Mark Quote. Jake Tasser Quote. I lived in Minnesota for 6 years and nearly stopped believing in God as a result. That is a Godawful, God-forsaken climate. In answering question 61, Craig writes that abortion is wrong because human life has intrinsic moral value. I think what Craig would say is that we do have knowledge of objective moral values independent of any knowledge of God. This knowledge includes the proposition that human life has intrinsic value.

However, there is no foundation for this knowledge outside of God. Whereas, under Christianity, human life has intrinsic value because God has created humanity in His image in order that we might spend eternity with God in the hereafter. What do you think? Truth is everything, and your aching to find and only believe and drink from its fountain is admirable. You are a critical thinker to be sure…i would think you might want to consider a masters or PHD in philosophy or philosophy of religion.

Keri Quote. Hiya Luke. Thank you for sharing. If I can use the term. Eneasz Quote. Luke, let me share something with you. I am a police detective in a major city in our nation. Yesterday I appeared in court. I asked her what holiday she was talking about. I told her thank you and that I always wanted to ask someone that question. She then asked me if I am Muslim and if not, how I could not have known the purpose of Easter.

She became very annoyed. She pressed the issue. I told her for the same reason I do not believe in Frodo the Hobbit, alien abductions, werewolves, vampires, or the Blair Witch. She looked at me like I was insane. I then realized something. This woman had never met an out of the closet atheist. I want the religious people out there to know something. There are those of us in the world, who are atheist, who have no problem admitting it.

I have no problem completely disregarding emotional unfounded beliefs in things for which there is NO evidence. I find it fascinating that religious people get a pass. If you say something is true, demonstrate that it is. I am glad you shed your christianity. I am sorry for the pain of the transformation. I am happy for you. Bobby Quote. Great article. And in the process, they miss out on the intensely human experience of spiritual ecstasy, even though ecstasy is orthogonal to dogmatic belief.

Avdi Quote. Mountain climbing? Live music shows? Just curious. Oh, goodness. Good sex can, too.


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I came to the same exact conclusions when I was your age. You are going to trust in something, that much is obvious. No matter how you try to explain reality or your personal experiences you will always have to draw the answers from sort of backdrop or meta-narrative. You can try to explain it with science, or music, or art or any other medium you please.

Survival of the fittest explains many things but it cannot explain why humans retained an obvious penchant for wasting time and energy by attributing certain acts of worship to a non-existent god. You will have just as many questions about reality and life as a materialist than you ever did as a Christian. Furthermore what really makes me sad is seeing you fall into this same crowd of dreamers who sit around and fantasize about stumping William Lane Craig!

Everybody writes these articles and makes these claims and when they finally get a chance to encounter Craig they get annihilated. I wish we could hang out for a while, I wish I could show you some things about life and things away from the classroom and the library but you have your own journey. I just engage with him because unlike many philosophers — Christian or otherwise — he make coherent arguments. I do have more potential then that, and I think it might be in the realm of meta-ethics, but I have a lot of studying to do….

Lol, indeed! Oh, I realized that at the time, trust me. Those were my dark days, before my re-awakening, before I fell in love with God and did my best to shed sin. I just came across your website and story, and found it very interesting. I was interested that the key factor for your conversion to atheism was questioning the historical basis for belief in Jesus, for I went through a similar process but with different result.

I was not brought up in a christian home, but I was sent to Sunday School and by 17 I had committed myself to following Jesus. Like you, I was troubled by the apparent discrepancy between evangelical christian teaching and what I found in the gospels. So, like you, I started reading what historians and theologians were saying. But, unlike you, I found satisfactory and indeed inspiring answers. I read theologians like AM Hunter, and for the first time understood Jesus in his Jewish context, and it excited me.

I will comment on this in more detail elsewhere, but the result was that I was confirmed in my understanding that Biblical inerrancy was not itself claimed by the Bible writers, but also confirmed in my understanding that it is historically sensible to believe that Jesus existed and did and said much of what the gospels say about him. Whether one believes he did miracles, rose from the dead, or was the Son of God are, of course, matters which the historical method cannot address, but historians can confirm that christians believed in these things from the very first, and so they are not later legends.

So I stayed a believer, with a strong interest in history and philosophy. Any thoughts? Yes, I guess I was asking a bit much, but I thought you might have a feeling about some key factors. Changing a belief or a strongly held opinion generally requires a significant shock to that belief. Perhaps there may have been two differences between you and I that might have made a difference. So I never really believed it, and thus had no problems treating the Bible as a human document, albeit divinely inspired.

The first scholars I came across were not highly sceptical, but were more middle-of-the-road, so I gained positive knowledge from them which enhanced my belief. So perhaps overall you were reading more sceptical scholars than I was. Thus more sceptical scholars and a more black and white view of the Bible led to a greater shock to your worldview than I experienced.

Do you think those factors made a difference? Quite possibly, but my deconversion was still gradual. Thanks for sharing your story. As an extra bonus, my family dropped it all around the same time. You, sir, are a brave man. FrodoSaves Quote.

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Just because every answer is not valid does not mean there is no valid answer. Mark Quote. Luke, I am applying the same standard to all beliefs, as much as is reasonably possible. Obama too? And a question such as what is god will reasonably yield a single answer. For more along these lines, check out the article on my site in the associated link. Thanks, Mark. Adiel Corchado Quote.

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I hear you Luke, but so was I, and though I had been baptized, and went to church and youth group etc, I was as lost and anti-God and hell-bound as anyone. Because I had been fed a false Gospel, one that assuaged my conscience, while I committed and was in bondage to all manner of sin. Adiel, how do you know that you were deceived then, and not now? After all, you were definitely convinced back then that you were a Christian, right? You could just as well be fooled now, and just not know it yet.

Lorkas Quote. I, for one, really did believe it all, when I was a Christian. How do you know you were not a false convert all along? On what did you base your assurance of knowing Jesus? This is really no justification at all, as I hope you can see. I stopped being a Christian because I lost patience with myself and my conreligionists for rationalizing away beliefs that are irrational. I gave thousands of hours in volunteer work to various causes that I felt that Jesus would have had me spend my time on.

I professed the gospel, made a habit of praying constantly, attended a four-year Evangelical university, and practiced apologetics, as you are on this website.

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If you have a good reason to think yourself a Christian now, then there is no basis for anyone to claim that I was not a Christian. However, as I began to critically examine my worldview another story , I found that I could not justify belief in Christianity if I applied the same logic to Christianity that I used to reject other religions. Turns out, I told her all of the questions that I was asking about my own faith, and she found that she could not answer those questions, either, without assuming Christianity to be false. Using the standard of the Bible that I cited above, it is clear that I was a Christian in the past.

While I sincerely appreciate you taking your time out to respond and explain why you believed yourself to be a true Christian I must point out that your reasons are not based on sufficient biblical grounds. For example, lets compare your works to the works of some of those whom Jesus said were self-deceived:. Again I ask you, what difference was there between you and all the false believers the Bible describes? I like your blog and I enjoyed reading your heartfelt deconversion story.

Richard Berry Quote. I just frequent the blog and post comments here. Been following your blog for a couple months now. Yos Quote. How else could someone who as sincere fall away? OS Quote. Osmar Neves Quote. Osmar Neves : Hi! Please, read the writings of Vincent Cheung. Osmar Neves, Brazil. Among his publications are foundational texts in Christian theology, philosophy, apologetics, spirituality, and a number of biblical commentaries. He is committed to the inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture, and thus all the doctrines that it affirms — that God is sovereign over all things and all minds, that the non-Christian man is unrighteous and unintelligent, that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation, that the believer possesses eternal life and would be received into heaven, and that the unbeliever is condemned to everlasting suffering in hellfire.

Through his outreaches and publications, he is training Christians to understand, implement, and advance the biblical worldview as a comprehensive and coherent system of thought revealed by God in Scripture. He and his wife, Denise, reside in Boston, Massachusetts. I wanted to read on,but it seems that the article has to be paid for in order to view it. Do you happen to have another source for it? I too, felt the feelings you write about and set out to do my own study, which only strengthened my faith in God…….

I guess one can find what one is looking for……gotta have faith in something….. It was very helpful to me………I believe the day will come that you will embrace spiritual discernment again….. Anyway, I just wanted to comment on a couple of things. Because now, since you know that there is no God, you must realize that what you thought was God, what you thought that you fell in love with, was just a fantasy.

So, whatever you experienced was just more of that fantastic imagination of yours. However, if God does exist and you did experience His presence… well, I will let you finish this sentence. Earlier in your life you were completely convinced that God did exist. But you claim that by acquiring more knowledge you have freed yourself from that delusion. Now you are completely convinced that there is no God. Is that because you now possess a perfect understanding of all things?

If not, then how can you be so certain that you are not still deluded? Luke, I must say that you are one of the few professing atheists that I have enjoyed reading. You remain polite with those that disagree with you and on occasion you have even encouraged those who disagree to continue with their faith. I would expect that we have read many of the same books. With the exception of some new facts thrown in from modern science, all of the arguments for and against the existence of God are the same as they were in the first century.

Like yours, my journey started as a quest for knowledge, but we started and ended on opposite ends of the road. I will cherry pick this as one more confirming fact of my faith. Solo Dei Gloria!!! William Quote. I experienced God as God, just as current believers continue to do so. Our subjective experiences were the same. Hi Great website. I am a 34 year old born in a Hindu family in India. I have been an atheist by default ever since i remember and have only recently since a couple of years after reading books and blogs like yours that i appreciate it more.

I think i was an atheist for all the simple reasons before like superstitions, rituals, suffering etc. However, what i dont understand is this. I have a younger brother by 2 years and we have both grown up pretty much the same. But he seems to have a completely different mind and though doesnt believe in any superstitions or actual religions but does believe that there is a god and there is a purpose to life which we need to find. No matter how many times we argue, i am not able to get to make him get into my thinking. Maybe you and me are the kind who was born with this atheistic kind of thinking and perhaps it was just chance that you got back to that after years of christianity.

Are you aware of anyone who has been on the side of the Craigs classic 5 arguments initially and have since then gone over to the other side after listenig to debates etc.? I am thinking that there will not be any such. Ajay Quote. I also have a brother who is younger than I by two years. We had the same upbringing but he still believes in God. For example, someone who is more predisposed to independence will be more likely to adopt atheism. Someone for whom relationships and family are very important will be LESS likely to abandon the religion of their friends and family.

Hi Luke, Do you believe the world is a better place if everyone is an atheist or do you believe it is better off today. I personally feel condescending about a majority of the humans and feel that religion is indeed useful to deter many humans from committing murders, rapes, stealing, other crimes. I am sure most of them are doing anyway even if they are religious but they may do such things much more if they know for sure that there is no judgment coming.

What do u think? I was sent to Sunday School for 8 years from age 4 to age 12 and never believed a single word they told me. On the first Sunday I argued with the teacher about angels. Not a great argument, but not bad for a four year old. Michael Quote. You can disbelieve in silly things for silly reasons.

For example, you might reject the truth of Christianity not for lack of evidence, but because the Christians you know are not nice. Marius Quote. Hi Luke, Just found your website and read your story—almost the mirror image of my story. I agree. Anyways, thanks for taking the time to create this website. I really enjoy the content and the attitude expressed throughout.

Tim Quote. Hey man. The very basis of the Chrisitan faith is based upon the rejected one…thus, gays should be the very core of the Christian faith. Hi Luke, Great story, great journey. I know that thousands of young people around the world are making the same journey in life. I am also a son of Christian parents. My father is a minister. From a young age I was sceptical, but only in recent years I totally broke with faith. The thing I recognize most in your story is the bit about the reading..

The clear arguments from atheist writers and the woolly thinking of the christian philosophers. The thing I find the hardest is the relation with my parents. I am afraid that they agree with me inside, but are caught in their livelong tradition and professional career in the Christian world. This feels like a limitation in my live, as I cannot discuss some things with the people closest to me, but fortunately I live in a day and age where contact with people all over the world has become the norm.

I get more joy out the marvels of the universe and have no fears. I wish you all the best in the rest of your life. Ferguson Quote. Wow man, you said something that is almost a direct quote from my own deconversion story. Thanks for posting this, glad you were able to come out of it much like I did. We are both better for having done it. Matt Oxley Quote. So, in your My Story words I just wanted to be like Jesus. Resorting to Bart Ehrman to find Jesus? That was a mistake. Little wonder you threw away your faith. You would have been better served following the scholarship of F.

Are Christians ever tempted to stop believing? Just ask Hymenaues and Alexander — or Ehrman. Temptation and doubt are not shameful — its the giving up that accrues the approbation of heaven. Enjoy a few decades of unbridled pleasures just like Jesus, huh? Beau Quote. Yes, we all struggle with the question, why should I believe in God? Good luck. K-Bo Quote. This is a very interesting story. However I have a couple things to say. I was born in china.

Religion is highly discouraged. My parents are not believers. I am highly confused. I was Christian but I believe it is because I needed that support. My life sucked when I was not Christian. After I embraced Christianity my life became so much better. However now I am unsure about God. Stone Quote. Firstly, I would like to know if you have studied Philosophy. Thirdly, Ironically there is a reason that your reasoning cannot be trusted.

So creation was either Personal or Impersonal. People Who Believe in a naturalism must believe in natural selection. Natural selection is not at all concerned with what philosophers think about all the time. All natural selection is concerned with is survival. Therefore senses cannot be trusted. Even Richard Dawkins a very well known atheist albeit not an atheist well versed in philosophy, realizes that he cannot trust his senses.

He states that he cannot disprove that the world we are living in is something like the matrix. Plus in a world set on survival our brain will trick us into believing whatever that will help our chance of survival. For example, a sick person will believe a pill will help his fever. However what the patient does not know is that the pill is a placebo. He or she takes the pill and the pain is reduced. Simply our senses cannot be trusted in naturalism.

Therefore you cannot trust your logic or reasoning. The alternative is to say you cannot believe in anything but yourself. However not many people live that out internally consistently. If we do not believe in anything the there is no purpose to life. If there is no purpose to life then there is no purpose to live. Yet we still want to survive. However after this entire arugment from reason this argument is from C. It just proves that you cannot believe in naturalism because that world view has a defeater.

Essentially here i am stumped. I believe that this is my personal journey. Stone : still does not prove that there is a God. I think its wrong to say this old argument is any kind of defeater for naturalism. It isnt. At best, it simply requires us to look upon all our beliefs with some skepticism…. Its quite reasonable to believe natural selection might favor more accurate beliefs in some circumstances and less accurate beliefs in others — Plantinga or Lewis hardly have a solid case in that respect.

However, I believe that you are thinking illogically. Essentially naturalism is then a half-assed conclusion. This is not an argument that says all your beliefs are false. This is an argument questioning how can naturalists logically believe in anything without any basis?

I do understand that this argument does not prove God. I am just bringing this up to say that naturalism has no backing. Also most atheists are also naturalists. When a person claims to be atheist there is something wrong with his or her reasoning. Give me a reason that shows me God does not exist. If an atheist can do that without saying something like, my experiences show me or god does not do anything ect ect it is just the same as a christian that say, i believe in god because of my experiences or god works in my life.

God is the author and we are in the book. He makes roughly the same argument you do, except in a philosophically rigorous way, and there has been a huge debate over his argument in the literature. Stone : drj, I understand where you are coming from. Well no, what the argument does is undermine all belief, not just naturalism. Plantinga does try to keep the blinders on so that you only focus on naturalism… but it touches everything. If one accepts the argument, it must inevitably lead to a deep pervasive skepticism. But following along in that charade is really just an exercise in wishful thinking.

Our beliefs might actually be mostly false! Many true beliefs but not necessarily all should also provide optimum utility over false beliefs, hence be selected for by natural selection. Not to mention, the theist must provide a compelling explanation for the tremendous amounts of false belief that exists — there sure is a hell of a lot of it.

Well in order to believe in atheism the atheist must either know everything orthe atheist is illogical and has an incomplete theory that defies reason. You should see the atheism FAQ on this site; it sounds like your arguing as if atheism requires that one assert that definitely NO god exists — which is inaccurate.

Nice blog mate. I mean no disrespect to anyone but the bible and the christian belief in god defies logic. Obviously you believe that any idea of god defies logic and i can understand why. I must say that the islam section of your blog is full of propaganda videos and contains very little regarding the actual theological beliefs of islam. For example did you know that islam believes in evolution as well as creation.

Admittedly there are bad muslims just as there are bad atheists, christians, jews. But have you actually studied the quran? In case you have read it and believe that it was written by Muhammad and is not the word of God, then i have a huge concern. These facts were discovered only very recently. How would you explain their occurrence in the quran. Abdur Rafay Zafar Quote. It is true I have not yet taken any time to seriously engage Islam. Can your recommend such a book? Consider the finitude of your potential for mastering knowledge. JRL Quote. God and the supernatural.

Intrinsic value. Free will. The flow of time. I want to thank you for the forgiveness of my sins, and the glorious gift of salvation and everlasting life, because of your merciful grace……Here is a my list of sins that I want to mention to You one by one Lord Jesus that I need deliverance from, and I ask that you please removed all demonic affliction from me, and break all demonic chains over evil over my life. Start listing your sin books, personal life, ministry, people who laid hands on you, false baptism, speaking in tongues, everything one my one and ask Jesus to remove ALL demons from you and break ALL chains of demonic force over your life.

Mention that any sins that you did not mention because you forgot about them, Jesus must please deliver you from them and break all chains over you. Afterwards thank Jesus Christ for your deliverance and saving your life:. Keep saying this until all demonic manifestations have left your home. Thank Jesus Christ from the bottom of your heart and worship him through thanking Him for what He has done for you — Start reading your bible not other books.

Some here make it sound like we should have no feelings of our senses concerning the Holy Spirit. I see the dangers of inviting demons and being deceived. Christ indeed Baptized with the Holy Spirit. I do not conform to the belief that the first sign of Baptism of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues. Actually the strange Fire was the first sign. That was an apostolistic sign and was done at the time the Holy Spirit was sent down to us this generation.

But Spiritual gifts have not stopped with the apostles. I refer you to. Here is the first few verses please read Chapter before and after and the whole of 12 for context. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat There is nothing wrong praying to God asking Him to help you find a wife, however praying to God to ask Him to make a girl like you is not right, you may as well go to a witchdoctor and get him to cast a spell for you over the girl you like that she returns the feelings.

God wont make someone like you because you want them too like you. He will however sent the right girl to you that you need not want. In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said , out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Joh Acts to Can you please rerad this as its lenghty. Were you slain in the spirit when you had this experience? Did you begin to speak in tongues.

Give me a little more info, please. I know that Kudalini is a demonic spirit that has nothing to do with the Spirit of God. The enemy will always counterfeit the things of God to bring confusion or to have of put down and not operate according to how God has ordained his Body to. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. God the same yesterday, today and forever. Just because we cannot wrap are little minds around the fact that God can use us and choose to manifest himself through us does not mean that His power is not in operation today.

Some of you are just like the Pharisees calling what is of God ungodly. They did the same thing to Jesus when He operated in power by casting out demons, healing the sick, etc. They said He was operating under the influence of Satan. A religious spirit will always deny the existence and power of God. It is always those whose relationship is based totally on head knowledge that have a problem with tapping into the Spirit of God. I still have not seen you give an answer to scripture that was posted regarding the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. May God open your eyes of understanding and help you see beyond the natural and see with spiritual eyesight.

That is a WOF lie, of course it operates, you go to Jesus Christ in prayer, you do not go to a faith healer. Do you have a problem with going directly to Jesus Christ in prayer? You readily agree that the devil and his demonic spirits are able to counterfeit the Spirit of God but refuse to acknowledge that we must test the spirits?

How does that work for you? And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind , that ye may pove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Your mind is your head knowledge which you glean from Scripture. Anton Lavey wrote the Satanic Bible, but it does not mean anything because he should have written a Satanic Bible II to let people know he was serious in his first book. How about this one, when Eve at the fruit in the garden of Eden, she should have eaten a second fruit in order to let God know she was SERIOUS when she took a bite from the first fruit..

You quote half a verse and misunderstand the Bible completely. First of all, shouting on this site is not permitted. Please turn your caps lock OFF the next time you write a comment. You are definitely not honoring and serving Jesus Christ when you follow false doctrine, In fact the Bible says,. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. You are right, we are not going to take your word for it. You are in trouble Irene. Reject this spirit now and be genuinely saved or face the consequences.

And what is is that you were after that God told you NO? God will not give you power, but Satan will and you got your wish. You are in deep trouble Irene, reject this spirit. I am not judging you, I care enough about you to warn you this is called biblical love , you are in trouble, you have been fooled by a false spirit. So your telling me there is an evil spirit that pretends to be the holy spirit.

People from drugs and alcohol. Cures diseases. Please humble yourself before God. Jesus told you satan wouldnt go against his own kingdom. I dont like how you made me question the spirit inside of me. Its Jesus. Spirit and he loves me and cured me of my diseases and addictions. That is not of the devil! You blaspheme my savior. Please repent and also please humble yourself. Its like when i read your comments i can just tell your angry and rude and ill pray that angry religious spirit leaves you. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Also Jesus. Said lay hands on the sick and cast out devils.

So we can go directly to him or go to a man or woman of great faith in Christ Jesus and they LAY hands. All to the glory of God. Matthew For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders ; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. So as you can see from the word of God, Satan can perform wonderful signs and wonders, to the point that possibly even Christians can be fooled into thinking they are from God.

Biblical Holy Spirit vs. Unholy Spirit of Fire

Yes this false spirit does all this, heals, deliverers etc but it does not give glory to Jesus Christ but to a false Christ. Because you disobey God you give glory to a false Christ, not Jesus Christ of the bible. Jesus Christ of the bible tells you that the Holy Spirit does not do the things you believe it does; it does not cause warmth and feelings of electricity or example and He does not slay people in the spirit.

Jesus Christ does the healing, not the Holy Spirit, this false spirit in you is the one that healed you and what was the aim? To make you believe wholeheartedly in the doctrine of demons you are believing in and you will spiral downward into more false teaching to the point where you wont be able to get out.

Satan will be upset if you question him the spirit in you , the Holy Spirit points you to scripture :. Re-read this article again and tell me, why there are no verses in the bible that explain away the way the false spirit operates? For instance why does the bible not say that the Holy Spirit makes you feel warm? And it gives you feelings of electricity? And it makes you laugh? Please go and search the bible find to find out if this is how the Holy Spirit operates — Satan will not want you to go look in the bible, the Holy Spirit will always point you to the bible.

Luke — If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Thats what i asked for and recieved. I said nothing about electricity. His yoke is light. Blasts demons off me and gives me peace and joy. And yes sonetimes it makes me laugh. But thats good because if it didnt i wouldnt laugh. Because im serious about being holy.

Hating evil and abstaining from it. And not fellowshipping with the world or laughing at what they laugh at. So i dont laugh much cept when the lord makes me smile or lAugh just have joy in my dark times. Liberty is freedom. Thus Jesus. Spirit heals of of everything. Romans — Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

That verse allows me to smile and laugh. Isaiah — And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; i fear and love Jesus Christ. How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. The holy spirit heals.


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The mistake most Christians make is to believe that when they pray for the gift of the Holy Spirit that God gives them the Holy Spirit Himself. Believers of today should never ask or pray for the Holy Spirit to be given to them as a gift because the prayer of the disciples for the Holy Spirit was answered at Pentecost. As far as the gifts of the Holy Spirit is concerned, He the Holy Spirit gives his gifts as He wills and not as we want Him to give to us.

The lesson in Luke does not teach us that we can ask or pray for any gift and expect Him to give it to us because our own perception of those gifts is that they are good. For instance, we cannot ask God to give us the gift of prosperity a lot of money because we think it is a good gift. He knows better and may not give us the money we ask or pray for because in his estimate it is not a good gift because it may stifle our spiritual growth in Him. The Israelite prayed for food and, yes, God sent them the food but look what happened to them.

They soon forgat his works; they waited not for his counsel: But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness, and tempted God in the desert. And he gave them their request; but sent leanness into their soul. Psalm We may even pray for the gift of healing but never receive it because God may have a more serene purpose for not giving it. His flesh is so wasted away that it cannot be seen, and his bones that were not seen stick out.

His soul draws near the pit, and his life to those who bring death. Job God may allow his children to be very sick as a method to restrain them from sin and as a means to discipline them. LUKE clearly says what it says. Can u misinterpret that. It says evil ppl know how to give gifts. So how much more will our father in heaven give us the holy spirit when we ask for it. It clearly says ask for it.

I dont know how u changed the meaning so much but i dont like when ppl change what God. It clearly says what it means literally. Theres nothing to interpret. U ask an evil person for something u get it. U ask God. For the holy spirit he gives u. Jesus said ask and you shall receive. You wont. Dont waste your time please. In the amount of time of this whole page instead of arguing amongst believers how many souls. Guess some ppl just rather. Think they are right about everything. I pray your heart is softened. No where in the bible does it say that pentecost was it for getting the holy spirit.

But sounds like theology to me. Like your making your own bible. I have heard this stuff before. Cant get tongues. Praying in tongues ceased along time ago. And all this man made stuff. Praying in tongues to the father uttering the things you dont have words for through the holy spirit to God is a weapon against the devil that he cant stop and is powerful praying. So he makes ppl like you think its evil so ppl dont use heavnly tongue prayer language.

Ive never see where asking for the holy spirit ceased at pentecost or any of the spiritual gifts stopped. Its man made theology and its like pharisees stuff. No thx ill trust. God and his word. The devil doesnt scare me into not praying in tongues but ive had him try before. John g lake wasnt healing ppl with an evil spirit. And why dont u look up joshua mills. He started laughing on the ground one day at a pentecost church. Now he plays the piano to worship Jesus and gold dust appears all over him.

You can youtube they have taped him with the supernatural sign of Jesus. Remrmber revelations. Can I ask how you got saved can you explain in detail? Why would you ask God for the Holy Spirit to be given to you when you had already received Him at your rebirth, provided of course that you are truly saved? Do you mind telling us how you were saved? Did you fall backward and lie on your back for some time? Did you speak in tongues? Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

Please find me a verse that says the Holy Spirit causes you to laugh, also please find a verse that says the Holy Spirit makes gold dust fall on you? A sign? Matthew A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign ; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.

And he left them, and departed. The only sign God gave you was the sign on Jona; death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Is that not enough for you? No, you want more signs and more signs. And Satan will give them to you. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;. And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:Acts Signs on the earth semicolon.

I dont need signs i believe. Glory with gold who are you to judge who God. Dont be jealous go check it out glory to God. The spirit i have is the holy spirit and it causes me to live holy. Jesus saved me by his grace. People are still healed today in the name of Jesus. Why are you so conservative and against God doing miracles. No man comes to God,thr holy spirit draws them.

So this thing that you think is some other spirit is actually the holy spirit drAwing ppl to Jesus? Yes i can pray in tongues. Its a self edifying build up your faith special prayer language you can do alone. Dont tell me its not of God. It surely is. I spent months with him a few months ago didnt work just stayed home and seeked him daily. I was attacked by many demons during my born again process and didnt sleep much a month.

The holy spirit was with me i felt his peace and love likeJesus hugging me yea i used to believe i instantly had the holy spirit when i confessed Jesus is lord. But when you seek him,it. You get so much an overflow. U think im going to cry out to him for three months and hes going to give me an evil spirit?

Excuse me but you dont know my Jesus. He loves me and wouldnt do that. The rapture is about to happen anyday. I cant be arguing with bretheren when there is souls to be saved and ppl to witness to. I hope u take that advice too. See you in heaven. Atleast try to save one soul today instead if arguing with me. I know what me and God have is real its an intimate relationship. Thats why i feel him so strongly. And its biblical to lay hands on ppl and heal them and cast demons out of ppl.

It was a commandment from Jesus. He wasnt asking. He said go do it. Be blessed. NO you were not. Because it suits them. Are we saying miracles have ceased? And of course you can be delivered from demons, you go directly to Jesus Christ in prayer and repent of your sin and ask Him to remove the bondage from you.

That is what this is all about, and God did NOT give you the power you think you have you are having delusions of grandeur, and your so called gift of tongues is either made up yourself or demonic. So you have two choices, you either repent of your power hungriness or get swallowed up by more and more false teaching. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The power of God is not to go around and act like a demonic clown slaying people to the floor and supposedly healing them from every conceivable sickness. Neither is the power of God to speak in strange languages, to laugh or cry your head off, to bark or howl like a dog, or to have your body shaken uncontrollably by the devil and his demons.

How dare you speak ill of God and call Him a liar? He warned us not to believe every spirit and the take heed that no one deceives us. You are doing the exact opposite. I can assure you that anyone who believes the lies of the father of all lies, the devil is not living a holy life. I asked you to please tell us how you were saved and to this day you haven;t responded to my question. Tell me, do you believe there are counterfeit miracles. Do you believe Satan can perform miracles? Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mark For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

What you and Dominic are doing is exactly what Jesus Christ warns us against in Matthew But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. You are deceived and the best thing for you to do is to go to Jesus Christ in prayer and plead with Him to forgive you and to deliver you from your deception.

Roman Catholics believe in the crucifixion, burial, bodily resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. Does that make you a Roman Catholic? Remember when Jesus said. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Please stop giving satan all the credit for the amazing things God does. I get that your saying satan trys to mimic God. But your basically saying its all satan.

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Jesus gets no glory. And that upsets me. As it should. Stop giving lucifer so much credit. Yes there are false prophets. But not every prophet is false. Geez unharden ur heart. U know its ok to be wrong once in a while. I am wondering. If you have the fear of the lord in you which is the beginning of true wisdom. When you talk down to people i really wonder. What are the greater works to which Jesus referred? He healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, healed the deaf and dumb, exorcised demons and raised the dead. Have you ever raised a corpse from the dead? You have?

For instance, his disciples never fed people with five loaves of bread and two fishes, did they? Have you ever fed people with as little as that? However, in one single sermon, Peter led lost souls to Jesus. Show me a single instance in the Bible where or more sinners were saved when Jesus preached to sinners? So, hopefully you can see that the winning of souls to Jesus is much greater than the works He had done when He was still on earth.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaaiah And please note carefully. The above passage is not talking down to people. It is a very serious warning because you are treading on very dangerous ground when you attribute something to God that does not come from Him but indeed from Satan. IN fact, you are disobeying Him because you are not testing the spirits as He says you must.

Again your saying. Everything is from satan. And giving God. No credit just like i said. Stop beating around the bush. What has the holy spirit done through ppl? You just say not of it is from him and its all from satan. So God. Has done nothing lately only satan? You are the one treading on dangerous ground. Not to mention like almost everyone on this site is self righteous.

Have fun explaining all this to God on judgement day. Ill keep going forward to work in the gifts of the spirit as paul and Jesus talked about. You can remain religious ,lukewarm,do nothing and say its all satan. And not save lost souls because you would rather argue with bretheren. I get so tired of self righteous ppl. And getting the most from this life.

O we have to delete the comment theres caps lock, this doesnt agree with my theology i have to. Theres a reason ppl are different in the body of Christ not everyone thinks like you. Has your same gifts and has to do everything like you. This is why we have a dead church laidecean of the revelations book right now because everyone wants to be politically correct. Wake up and step out in faith. Not everything. Is what u think the holy spirit guides us to do more than what the. We follow his word and the holy spirit aligned with his word. Conversation over.

Why dont you go spread the gospel And save a soul today because your not helping anyone here you are puting them back into religous bondage. None of us on this site ever said or even suggested that everything is of Satan. You are lying John The following applies,.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Jesus said that!!!!!!!!!!!! James Genesis And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me. Do you know anyone who has personally experienced the full kundalini and experienced the baptism of this false light?

Jesus said that ok?? He that believes. Them that believe. That is us. Try reading the bible. Stop false teaching. Do you believe that the devil is capable of healing the sick, make people speak in tongues, take up serpents without being bitten? And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat Indeed, God works miracles and so does Satan and that is why we must discern between the true and the false.

The things they call miracles in most churches today is of the devil and not of God. Isa In Eastern mysticism it is not about obtaining or attaining godhood, it is about becoming aware that you are already a god. Awareness or enlightenment as it is also called, comes through the practice of Yoga, meditation, silence, solitude, contemplative spirituality etc. The WOF movement teaches the very same heresy.

Although they do not practice the things I mentioned, they do something similar called slain-in-the-spirit. Our spirit and soul do the thinking. The brain is merely the instrument which enables us to act upon our innermost thoughts in the spirit and soul and to manifest it in the physical realm. We are what we think. Christians are exhorted to think on the things which are above in heaven Philippians For Satan to make you think or become aware that you are a god, He must take control of your mind so that he and his demons can transmit their lies and doctrines into your mind soul.

This is precisely where eastern mystical practices like Yoga, contemplative prayer, the WOF slain-in-the-spirt and hypnotism come in. Whoever participates in these things or allows others to manipulate their mind, lose control of their mind and open themselves to the influence of demons.